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godsun2006
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Posted: Dec 14th, 2005 08:14 PM |
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| Do you belive that the state of California was justified in executing Tookie Williams? Are Black people executed in rates higher that other americans? Should gang members in the Black community be punished more than other "criminals?
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Posted: Dec 14th, 2005 11:32 PM |
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I actually don't believe in death penalty executions. Was California justified in executing Tookie Williams? I think it was a move to get a re-election to be honest, so I have to say no, they were not justified in this executing. But then I think my views would be different then alot of ppls....I don't believe in taken anothers life for the ones he hurt and killed, it will not bring them back. Other thoughts run my mind....How can a state offical actually live with themself knowing that they had something to do with taken anothers life rather wrong or right? But like I said it is JMO and some of my beliefs about this situation. Viz
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Posted: Dec 16th, 2005 04:29 PM |
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http://deathpenaltyusa.blogspot.com/
The New Jersey State Senate today approved S-709, legislation calling for an immediate moratorium on all executions in New Jersey and creating a new study commission which will examine the flaws in the State's current death penalty system. Should S-709 become law, New Jersey would become the first State to legislatively impose a moratorium on the death penalty.
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Posted: Dec 23rd, 2005 02:11 AM |
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i'm actually somewhat ambivilent toward the williams case, it presents several dilema's.
speaking from the perspective of som1 who hasn't been directly victimized by violence from a gang, i'm inclined toward lieniency, particularly n light of his anti-gang stance & the work he did in an attempt at redemption. n the end, i think we should re-examine what it is we r trying 2 accomplish by incarceration. is the goal redemption? rehabilitation? revenge?
on the other hand, f i, or a family member, were more directly impacted by the violence som of these gang members perpetrate on, not just e/o, but non participants, i might well b less inclined 2 b so merciful. i don't really feel comfortable saying firmly 1 way or the other n his case b/c i have only a cursory familiarity w the facts of the case. i've learned not 2 trust the yt media's version of the facts of the case.
it's also my understanding that, while claiming innocence of those murders he was convicted of, he refused to reveal specific names of other he knew were involved in criminal activity. he said he wouldn't b "a snitch". o k, well, i admire that kind of loyalty - up to a point. but, that loyalty could eventually cost other ppl their lives.
i really would hv preferred to hv access to more detailed information, including what evidence they had specifically against him, & how much of it was circumstantial. i never thought 4 1 minute ah-nold was going 2 grant him any kind of clemency. n retrospect, it certainly seems strange 4 som1 like charles manson 2 b alive & incarcerated, while som1 like T. Williams was put 2 death.
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Posted: Dec 30th, 2005 01:18 AM |
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| A good point was made concerning Tookie refusing to "snitch" and how that decision could have affected other people's lives. It is quite likely that whoever IS actually guilty has/had a likelihood of engaging in more criminal behaviour. And these murders were prosecuted 23 years ago. I didn't think about it this way before..
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Posted: Jan 11th, 2006 10:28 PM |
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discussion on the death penalty, much like abortion, is a discussion that never really ends. i sometimes wonder what it would b like to spend a day on death row (wouldn't want 2 make a habit of it) @ livingston, texas, the busiest death row n amerikkka (& there4, the world). these 2 topics make 4 an interesting juxtaposition, but this country seems much mor concerned w saving the lives of the unborn, than preserving the lives of, @ least n som segments, the already living.
there r two cases @ this location which resulted n ppl being placed on death row that r erily similar, thou separated by 10 yrs. in both of them, there was NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE linking the accused to the murders that led 2 their incarceration & both cases hinged on the testimony of only 1 EYEWITTNESS, both of whom later, RECANTED their testimony.
currently, anthony graves sits on death row @ this location (for 12 yrs), convicted of brutal murders, w no physical evidence linking him to the crime, on the basis of a single eyewitness.
n 1992, n summerville, texas, n a house, 6 members of the davis family were killed: grandmother, a teenage girl, and 4 young children were then doused with gasoline and set on fire.
a man named robert carter was arrested when he showed up at the davis funeral with burns all over his face. he confessed to the crime, but police believed he must have had an accomplice & they pressed him for another name: he gave them anthony graves.
but, after carter testified against graves, he told just about anyone who'd listen that anthony graves was innocent. he told his lawyers he told Graves' lawyers, he did an 85 page deposition. he even said it on video for one of anthony graves's appeals. even when robert carter was executed, on the day of his execution, before the press and god and everybody, his last statements before he was executed by the state of texas were anthony graves didn't do it.
there is no fingerprint evidence, there's no forensic evidence, there's no dna, there's no blood-stained clothing. there are not even any murder weapons. there's no physical evidence at all, yet, the prosecuting DA @ the time says, "there is no doubt in my mind that anthony graves was involved. i'm comfortable with the evidence that we have. i'm comfortable with the evidence that we presented."
after 5 appeals, he's still on death row. he's just completed what may be one of his last, best chances to prove he deserves a new trial. that ruling will be out in a few months.
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